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ND Sharpshooter Helpful
Joined: 14 May 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Devils Lake,ND
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Loads for AR type .223 |
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I'm soon-to-be-new to loading for an AR type rifle in .223/5.56 and am wondering if there are special considerations one needs to keep in mind when reloading for gas operated semi-autos. Any tips, receipes, advice will be appreciated. I'm planning to use 55 grain soft noses and/or HP's. I'd also like to use H-335 because it meters nicely and won't bridge in the drop tube like stick powders do. What are some loads that have worked for you? Thanks in advance. _________________ "Never said I didn't know how to use one." |
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rberglof Expert

Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 67 Location: California mountains
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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ND Sharpshooter was looking on line and found some info that you may already be aware of but thought I would put it here anyway. The only 223 I have reloaded was for my mini-14 and that has been some time back, the problem I had was I loaded middle of the road loads and they did not have enough pressure to cycle the rifle.
223 Rem VS 5.56mm
There are a lot of questions about these two cartridges. Many people think they are identical - merely different designations for commercial and military. The truth is that, although somewhat similar, they are not the same and you should know the differences before buying either cartridge.
* The cartridge casings for both calibers have basically the same length and exterior dimensions.
* The 5.56 round, loaded to Military Specification, typically has higher velocity and chamber pressure than the .223 Rem.
* The 5.56 cartridge case may have thicker walls, and a thicker head, for extra strength. This better contains the higher chamber pressure. However, a thicker case reduces powder capacity, which is of concern to the reloader.
* The 5.56mm and .223 Rem chambers are nearly identical. The difference is in the "Leade". Leade is defined as the portion of the barrel directly in front of the chamber where the rifling has been conically removed to allow room for the seated bullet. It is also more commonly known as the throat. Leade in a .223 Rem chamber is usually .085". In a 5.56mm chamber the leade is typically .162", or almost twice as much as in the 223 Rem chamber.
* You can fire .223 Rem cartridges in 5.56mm chambers with this longer leade, but you will generally have a slight loss in accuracy and velocity over firing the .223 round in the chamber with the shorter leade it was designed for.
* Problems may occur when firing the higher-pressure 5.56mm cartridge in a .223 chamber with its much shorter leade. It is generally known that shortening the leade can dramatically increase chamber pressure. In some cases, this higher pressure could result in primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads and gun functioning issues.
* The 5.56mm military cartridge fired in a .223 Rem chamber is considered by SAAMI (Small Arm and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) to be an unsafe ammunition combination.
Before buying either of these two types of ammunition, always check your gun to find what caliber it is chambered for, then buy the appropriate ammunition. Most 5.56mm rounds made have full metal jacket bullets. Performance bullets - soft points, hollow points, Ballistic Silvertips, etc. - are loaded in .223 Rem cartridges. Firing a .223 Rem cartridge in a 5.56mm-chambered gun is safe and merely gives you slightly reduced velocity and accuracy. However we do not recommend, nor does SAAMI recommend, firing a 5.56mm cartridge in a gun chambered for the .223 Rem as the shorter leade can cause pressure-related problems.
Winchester Law Enforcement Ammunition East Alton Illinois |
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HiWall Novice

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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The Sierra manual lists different loads for AR type rifles and bolt actions, with the AR loads significantly lighter than those for bolt guns, resulting in velocities 200/300fps slower from the gas gun with like bullets.
Sierra 55gr SBT Max load H335 25.7gr Vel 3000fps (AR-15)
Sierra 55gr SBT Max load H335 27.5gr Vel 3300fps (Rem 600) _________________ The Hunters' Hut |
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